I don’t understand when people who practice witchcraft don’t even understand the roots of the craft in nature and the earth and think that the supernatural aspect is the only aspect of the craft. Spirituality isn’t just about a divine presence, its understanding the…
That’s the point that I was trying to make last night. Someone asked if atheist could practice witchcraft and looking at what witchcraft is at the core some of us agreed that they could. But apparently not believing in deity makes you a non-spiritual being because witchcraft is supposedly all supernatural. I don’t think that ideology is wrong, I just learned that at its essence witchcraft was learn to be one with nature, not even in reverence terms ( that starts falling into paganism).I recently run into a group who think that wicca and witchcraft are always interchangeable, and so I realized that many don’t separate the raft as a pratice and it as a religion. It was a very interesting discussion and when I tried to point out that religion and practice are different, hence the plethora of ways to practice. There spawned my question of when did the supernatural aspects become the root of witchcraft over nature when depending on your path one or both are the root.
I think we are running into a miscommunication, here. The thing is that witchcraft does not actually have to involve nature at all. My personal craft does so minimally. Witchcraft is less about nature and more about using the resources you have on hand to take control of events that normally you would not have control over. This may include natural things such as herbs, but at its core witchcraft doesn’t even need those. Some are able to do spells without tools at all.
Modern urban folks, and particularly modern urban folks at or below poverty line, are not likely to have access to fresh herbs on hand, so they improvise. Some works use entirely modern materials, and they work just as well. It isn’t nature, its environment. A witch uses their environment as a tool.
There are a few things that I think are being conflated here that might need some definition. An atheist isn’t someone who doesn’t believe in the supernatural, but who specifically does not believe in deities. In essence, an atheist may believe in the collective subconscious or the Great All or the universe or science, but not in a deity with a identifyable consciousness. A secular person is someone who does not have religion at all: deity or otherwise.
But witchcraft can be both atheist and secular. For example- atheist witchcraft is one that does not ask for help by deities. Secular witchcraft is one that does not use parameters of magic set by a particular religion.
Yes there is a big miscommunication, taking away from the fact that the original post was based on a discussion of if you look at witchcraft from a nature as the roots perspective you could say atheist can be witches.
Your input is another valid explanation for how atheist could practice witchcraft.
What so far I am seeing is that people are making an assumption thinking I am saying that the nature based version is the only way to go about witchcraft, which is not what I said.
Oh. Okay. I think there was some funky wording in the original post and that’s where we got off on the wrong foot. I know an awful lot of atheist pagans and atheist witches who primarily work with elemental and nature spirits, so you’re golden.
Sorry, I kind of have a knee-jerk reaction to focus on nature in witchcraft. It sounded like you were making a case for something you weren’t to me and for that I apologize.